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Krim
But make no mistake, with the victory of Hezbollah, a terrible beauty is born.
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Cyril
Zaki
If you call a stalemate a victory, then Hezbollah and Israel have both won the war, or both lost it. Otherwise I think we agree on our view of the geopolitical situation in the Middle-East.
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zaki7
I mean victory from the goals that Hezbollah and Israel set before starting the fight.
Israel wanted to free its soldiers, it failed. Hezbollah did not give in.
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Hezbollah wanted to chase them out, they succeeded.
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Hezbollah had nothing to lose besides being destroyed, they were not destroyed, they instead came out with a huge support not only in Lebanon but in the arab world.
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Cyril
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zaki7
I mean victory from the goals that Hezbollah and Israel set before starting the fight.
Israel wanted to free its soldiers, it failed. Hezbollah did not give in.
Right, Israel could not liberate its soldiers. Do you really deduce that Israel has lost the war from that only occurence?
The real aim of Israel was to destroy the military infrastructure of Hezbollah, that is its missile launching ability. We know that they failed because they did not want to reoccupy Southern Lebanon. It was actually their air war which failed in its aims.
I believe they did not succeed in both endeavours. They did not free their soldiers and they did not destroy Hezbollah infrastructure. It is not a matter of they did not want to reeoccupy south lebanon, it's just that they couldn't. Hezbollah kept its lines all the way. If Beirut was bombed, it is because Israel had the air power advantage. I think even in the Israeli public opinion, you will find the majority recognizing that the war was botched and that hezbollah came out stronger and Israel weaker.
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Hezbollah wanted to chase them out, they succeeded.
To chase them out from where? From Palestine? The Israelis are still there. From the Shebaa Farms? They are still there.
Nope, from Lebanon, Israel sent troups in south lebanon, they were chased out of there by hezbollah.
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Hezbollah had nothing to lose besides being destroyed, they were not destroyed, they instead came out with a huge support not only in Lebanon but in the arab world.
Hezbollah was not destroyed, that's right. But its territory was. The Hezbollah leadership may not care but ask the peasants and shopkeepers that had their houses destroyed or their fields strewn with cluster bombs if they do not care.
The territory was not destoyed, the people were destroyed, I agree with you, Hezbollah care less that civilians are killed during the fight, in their twisted mind, it is nothing more than a detail or collateral damage. But the arab mentality wants it that the people will back them even more regardless of what chaos they brought on the civilian side. The territory of Hezbollah has expanded way beyond the streets of beyrouth. Judging from the recent news, they are on their way to take over the government. I will argue that if Israel did not strenghten them with its war, they would not have today the support they have, and they would not be trying to topple the current government.
Besides Hezbollahland has now become UN- and Lebanese-armyland. The Hezbollah is prevented from using its missiles, not mentioning the fact that the UN is waiting that it desarms according to the cease-fire treaty.
Its prisoners have not yet been freed and the Shebaa Farms that it claims as being Lebanese territory are still in the hands of Israel.
That is what I call an assessment. From that perspective I don't see any Hezbollah victory.
If Hezbollah attacked Israel with these claims about Chebaa farms, I will agree with you. But they simply didn't. Their demand was the relaease of 1000 of prisoners against the release of a couple of Tsahal soldiers. The shebaa farms were not the object of this fight on eiher side. From that perspective, and weighing the goals and demandes of each party, I think it is fair to say that Hezbollah came out with
To sum it up:
Hezbollah kidnaps 2 soldiers, asks for the release of 1000 from Israel in exchange. Israel refuses and vows to punish Hezbollah and liberates its prisonners with no conditions. They went to war in Lebanon and vowed to destroy Hezbollah once ad for all. Result? They did not release their soldiers, they did not destroy hezbollah. They pulled out and agreed to a cease fire and to negociate the deal put forward by Hezbollah in the first place. In addition, Hezbollah becomes the major power in the country and is a full player in the midlle east conflict and is seen by a billion + people as the resisting force to Israel that was able to stand up to Israel. I won't call that a stalemate.
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sarah70
salam Cyril
If you don t believe in God power on the past, current and future events or even God existence is your right that I respect just don t be upset if someone has different perspective like taking religion as reference in many thing in life. I don t call it preaching it is rather a freedom of speech .you have all right don t agree but certainly u don t have any right to exclude people from forum and give them suggestion to seek refuge in such or such country.