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almond01
Ilhem, why shall we be afraid of such trend? I think it is a positive step towards applying the requirements of Shari'aa.
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almond01
Ilhem, why shall we be afraid of such trend? I think it is a positive step towards applying the requirements of Shari'aa.
You're kidding right ? You want us to become a theocracy ? Cut people's hands, public executions, public whippings ?
With all due respect, dream on !!
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eFaysal
And we love all kind of human being without exception.
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chelhman
Hi Krim,
My knowledge of Ibn Rushd was rather superficial, after reading your post, I took time to thoroughly research his work. This man was amazing, he would be the equivalent of a Da Vinci for the Rennaissance, too bad he was shunned at the time.
This is the kind of thinking, we need now. Thanks for the info.
Didn't I say, I'm learning a lot on this forum...
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Krim
Ibn Rushd did not succeed in imposing the freedom of thought. This school which was tolerant and see every khowledge as dynamical. Even the notion of god was open to discussion. Belief and logic...etc.....So this glorious period which many muslims refer to was a period where people were free to think and discuss every thing. Coran which was not written in real time but lately collected by many individuals (mostly men, women were out of business) was still a matter of debate. The Khalifates who saw a danger in following the school of free thought, decided to stop the ongoing brain storming of Ibn Rushd and his followers (Luther of Islam) and decided for the malekite school. The truth is in Coran, Basta.....Actually many muslims love this simple solution and hate freedom of thinking and freedom simply. They love to be hostages since they can sleep by saying all the work has been already done. We are here to accomplish just our biological duties.. knowledge is static.....
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PS. Wearing scarf never been a step back, is a step forward. I admire any girl, women that wear it by believe.
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chelhman
Then you must be a very happy man these days...
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eFaysal
"Morocco brother is an Islamic country from the ancient time "
you make me laugh. What does mean 14 centries. It's not a long period of time.
At the scale of history, 14 centries is just one second of time.
Am happy i made you laugh eventho i didnt say sth funny .. It is in the 14 centuries left that Islam has emerged that spread all over the world .. and thats what interests me most
We are muslims because Islam have the power to give a higher quality of life.
People need to be in Islam to secure a way of living without stress and free from
material addiction.
I thought you are aware of what you are writing down instead of filling up the lines. Where on earth have you read or heard about some1 not working-hard to earn his/her living? How could a breadwinner feed and support his/her family without stress? Even thiefs and shoplifters make an effort to live.
Islam is a religion of mind and soul.
And we love all kind of human being without exception.
I agree on this.
Peace and Love the true Islam.
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Krim
Ibn Rushd did not succeed in imposing the freedom of thought. This school which was tolerant and see every khowledge as dynamical. Even the notion of god was open to discussion. Belief and logic...etc.....So this glorious period which many muslims refer to was a period where people were free to think and discuss every thing. Coran which was not written in real time but lately collected by many individuals (mostly men, women were out of business) was still a matter of debate. The Khalifates who saw a danger in following the school of free thought, decided to stop the ongoing brain storming of Ibn Rushd and his followers (Luther of Islam) and decided for the malekite school. The truth is in Coran, Basta.....Actually many muslims love this simple solution and hate freedom of thinking and freedom simply. They love to be hostages since they can sleep by saying all the work has been already done. We are here to accomplish just our biological duties.. knowledge is static.....
HI krim
Ibn rushed was in andalous when the islamic world was gouverne by Khalifa rashidyin. at this time Coran was already written.
Dear Aziz
I think you misunderstand my message. Coran was not written in real time. This means written while the prophete mohammed still in life. The writing and collection was done after his death by his followers. Read the "history of the arab people by Albert Hourani". Should we trust that this work reflect the authentic message of the prophete. In addition Ibn Rushd who was a strong believer in the message of Mohammed did try to use greek philosophy, rationality in order to find a commun ground. He was a smart muslim who made use of his brain by asking critical questions.
take care
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Hi all,
sorry for my delayed answer....quite busy last time.....
Hi chelhmen,
you may be right regarding the influence of the Arabic channels on our girls but I found the new hijab ( 3abaya or the modern look ) far away from our traditional Moroccan style confirming the problem our “ lost “ identity.... secondly I found the whole thing quite exaggerating…we always were good Muslims without shouting telling it to everyone …it looks like we became very conservative….. the truth is that we’ve never been modern like now ….such a controversy….sometimes I ask myself what the Moroccans really want?
What are you talking about?
If you dont go in favor with wearing the hijab then it is your personal choice that we respect toooo much, but dont go that far claiming that the veil is an instruction new to our soceity. I really dont know what kind of messages are you trying to give out? you sound very ingnorant of so many facts. What have you against conservative peeps? At least they are more honorable and pious than permissive ones.
Are you calling for modernism at the expense of Moroccan's families' disintergration? Are you satisfied of the prevalent amrolas prevailing our brothers and sisters? This is not modernism but backwardness at the highest level. I dont call people to become strict and introverted, but rather open-minded in a good-manner. You said "we have never been modern like now", what do you mean? Girls and boys sharing intimacies in public, girls walking around half-naked, boys smoking in front of their parents, girls entering home till late hrs at night without being asked where they were or with whom they were escorted!! Where from this curse/plague has come from? Have you never asked yourself this Q? Well the answer is very simple.
Our guys are simply westernized gagging after bad habits than good ones. Even some foreigners when they come over here, they are struck of the deteriorating and degregading morals the moroccan society has become part of. By saying this, am not obligating wearing the scarf on anyone because it is well stated in the Quran that NO compulsion in Islam, but the least of things people shoudnt deny such heavenly law.
Azizi,
I don’t agree when you said “… it’s difficult for a girl to walk without being followed or disturbed..” you just need to go to Ma’arif or la cote in casa you will see how free are our girls and how open-minded are our boys ….. besides, if a girl is properly dressed no one will touch her….however it could be very possible that some girls put the hijab to get married or indeed to attract the golf people (I’v seen it with my own eyes in la corniche ) which shows perfectly that we are not that religious that seems to be…again people are using the religion for bad attention or at least for not religious matters…..
I go with Azizi, and i object the way you look at things ilhem. Please dont mix up things !!!
You should differentiate between well-bred girls and ill ones, and i am not generalizing here of course. Let me give you one example, when you see a girl walking in the street wearing a tight jeans and a top, swinging right and left. This girl knows she is a part of a society which respects its traditions, culture and religion, so why the need of such behaviour? By contrast, when you see a girl respecting herself, wearing loose clothes ( not even the hijab ) she becomes far from the risk of being threathned, hassled, or exposed to sexually-oriened speech.
You mentioned the example of those girls wearing Aabayat, are these chicks a good example? The majority of them are slappers. I myself encountred an incident that happened in front of my eyes in the cyber coffee 3 years ago when a girl who was sitting chit-chatting with a guy from the Gulf stood up in front of the camera and started exhibiting her body, let alone those who are in their homes. This is the worst thing one can think of.
In brief, to be modernized is not necessarily how do you look, but more importantly what modern innovative clean thoughts your mind is full of.
Dear Almot,
I’ve read all your messages and with all respect I agree with most what chelhmen said …..we really need to be careful this time to get our country out of the misery …the religion is good but it’s still should not be mixed with the state and the economy ….I’m not saying we should forget our religion and traditions ….what I’m saying is we need to make the difference ……matters such as education, health , employment ….etc should be our first priority….the religion should remain a private thing like in all civilized countries as long as it's still respected in all aspects of the society….I understand your proud of our religion but we always were so ….. sadly it didn’t help to improve the situation …..we need to solve effectively our economical and social problems….each time a matter is discussed it turn up discussing the religion….. we will never move on…… the real Islam is in the heart, the behavior and the attention not in the way how people look…..
I have read your text 4 times and i have come to the conclusion that you find so many difficulties connecting your ideas. You are at a loss. What the improvement of the economy's wheel has to do with religion? How can you make religion second, giving advantange to the wordly life? Dont forget we are not ever-lasting in this planet, our life is just temporary. Just dont come up with things at random and turn into deductions. Please BACK UP you arguments with proofs?
Everytime you talk about civilization and the West. Dont forget at one time the Islamic world were more prosperous without making religion subordinate. I agree the West has worked-hard to achieve welfare and development but unfortunately this has happened whilst losing many values.
I wouldnt back down and give concessions to trackback. Alhamdullah the teachings of Islam has provided us with loads of rules how to lead a regular happy life, but due to some persons , who misuse this treasure and apparently lack enuff information and guidance, they get easily drifted by the flow.
Wa Salam