Morocco # English board

salaamualaikum and hello everyone here.

I hope im not being a fool by askin a question in English in what it looks like a francophone forum here . Nonetheless, I am an eternal optimist in things like these if you will .

Coming back to my question (by the way, do I sound puritanical..u know like them old victorian women..because of my english..cuz tell u what..im not..im just being formal since this is my first post )

Now the point is, I really find Moroccan women very pretty and quite bubbly too (not to sound clichéd and bowled over..but I guess i have been bowled over by them). I had the pleasure to find many fine women during my studies and work in Sweden and later when my work also took me to parts of the UK. And since I have the intention of marrying a fine lady from that country I started finding out about the culture, the history and the contemporary traditions and what is the scene as of now.

Now I am surprised that many a times I have come across opinions that moroccan women are the most easiest and loose in the whole of the arab world. And this opinion was also shared by some of the white men i asked (just for the heck of it). In fact, one french person (must be in his early thirties) was boasting that if you can speak french and if you are well endowed (your wallet rather) you could 'have' a girl pretty enough to be on the cover of something like vogue for a few hundred euros. I was offended to say the least, but I am getting bothered by what I have heard.

I mean i do not want to sound offensive, cuz i am not. I just want an honest opinion that since morocco is one of the more liberal countries in the arab world and obviously with so many pretty women around (add to that high unemployment and a general misdemeanor that local men might be having towards the womenfolk ) has it got that bad that it is hard to trust a moroccan girl now?? I mean hearing such stuff from arab men was bad enough..hearing white men boasting about their 'beautiful conquests' in morocco has put me in a questioning mode.

Is this getting so bad there now? I mean is the government actually encouraging these things instead of providing the women with better alternatives??

And is my wanting to marry a moroccan woman more of a fetish or is it genuine..im all confused in my head..

Honest answers awaited..female perspectives would be even better

What about having your own opinion instead of hearing stupid ideas of stupid guys ?

Best thing to do for your is to find a girl with the same origin as yours. Coming here and posting such insults towards moroccan girls is just pathetic and reflects a state of mind that is for the less revolting !

Do us a favor and don't make generalities, materialist and loose woman could be found everywhere around the world.

The only interest of your post is for me the practise of my written english, that's all, for now.... !

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2passage06
What about having your own opinion instead of hearing stupid ideas of stupid guys ?

Best thing to do for your is to find a girl with the same origin as yours. Coming here and posting such insults towards moroccan girls is just pathetic and reflects a state of mind that is for the less revolting !

Do us a favor and don't make generalities, materialist and loose woman could be found everywhere around the world.

The only interest of your post is for me the practise of my written english, that's all, for now.... !

go girl! : )

Moroccan womens are really pretty it's a reallity but I'm not okey with you when you said "moroccan women are the most easiest and loose in the whole of the arab world."
In all the countries you have good and bad womens, generalities are not a intelligent way to make decisions.. When you are talking, in your opinion morocco is like thailand a countrie full of discharge.

You have to make your opinion with your girl becaus in your question it's like you said french are eating frogs. It's not true for all the french, I am french and I have never eat any frog in my life so think like a smart man and make your choice with reflexion..

Now, if the moroccan woman you "find" is pretty, smart and you can imagine your future with here don't trust any personn who said it or that, it is only stereotypes !

I hope to I have helped you has to see there more clearly and to understand that the general information is not a good thing because each one is single and it's not because one is of such or such origin that our personality is predetermined!

Sincerly your.

Hello.

Welcome.

cordially.

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2passage06
What about having your own opinion instead of hearing stupid ideas of stupid guys ?

Best thing to do for your is to find a girl with the same origin as yours. Coming here and posting such insults towards moroccan girls is just pathetic and reflects a state of mind that is for the less revolting !

Do us a favor and don't make generalities, materialist and loose woman could be found everywhere around the world.

The only interest of your post is for me the practise of my written english, that's all, for now.... !

C'est bien dit !!


il est 22h j'ai pas tellement envie de pratiquer mon anglais par contre

Never trust in human

Wherever you go you can meet bad and nice people.

The most important thing is to protect your self against bad people (precisely in your case bad women)

To do that you have to learn analyse a human being.

Have you already heard about body language?Tongs lie but body not. Don't stop your analyse to words as the Yabi(e)s always say ; only actions have worth, words are worthless.

Be carefull and see you soon.

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sebti
Hello.

Welcome.

cordially.

trop bon, tu fais moins le malin en anglais? ou bien t'es aussi membre de l'académie anglaise?

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trop bon, tu fais moins le malin en anglais? ou bien t'es aussi membre de l'académie anglaise?

Hello.

I don't care!

Cordially.

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sebti
Hello.

Welcome.

cordially.

trop bon, tu fais moins le malin en anglais? ou bien t'es aussi membre de l'académie anglaise?

Lol Voldemodo


You always make me laugh really.

But be kind with Sebti. It s a real kind boy.

And Moliere language is not as pretty as in french type.

Dan piper...

T'as de serieux soucis.... t'es ridicule!

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trop bon, tu fais moins le malin en anglais? ou bien t'es aussi membre de l'académie anglaise?

Hello.

I don't care!

Cordially.

Peace and love...

let me add something :

ask yourself if a moroccan woman can trust you as a man ?

If I rely on the basic state of mind that men are unfaithful, very easily tempted to run away as soon as they feel too many responsibilities, coward etc....

Well, you woud answer that is not the case of EVERY men, so now you can conclude the same for your own question. Isn't it logical ?

and last thing I do agree with you in , moroccan women, are pretty, not only because God gifted us with beauty but also because our values and principles enhance our natural beauty.



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let me add something :

ask yourself if a moroccan woman can trust you as a man ?

If I rely on the basic state of mind that men are unfaithful, very easily tempted to run away as soon as they feel too many responsibilities, coward etc....

Well, you woud answer that is not the case of EVERY men, so now you can conclude the same for your own question. Isn't ilt logical ?

Exactly
So now mister dan piper intelligently considered instead of you to put stupid questions and to make circulate an bad image of the Moroccan women !

i think you scared him away... dan, come back! (just kidding!)

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sebti
Hello.

Welcome.

cordially.

trop bon, tu fais moins le malin en anglais? ou bien t'es aussi membre de l'académie anglaise?

9taltini b da7k
merci!

Yes , WE CAN !

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perucha
9taltini b da7k
merci!

Salam.

Se comparer au Grand Sebti serait très osé de ta part, le sous-estimer est une erreur monumentale !

Cordialement.

my taylor is rich

Oh God..Ya Allah..i am really really sorry 2passage..and all the other women (i guess there are some lads here as well).

Please do not think I am making a judgement on anyone here. Who am I to judge any ways. It is the lord who judges. If I cannot help myself stealing glances at your beautiful women whenever I get a chance (despite knowing quite well about the first glance rule in Islam), I don't consider myself a good judge or anything.

Please forgive me my sisters and brothers...I never meant to hurt anyone's feelings. It is the last thing i'd want to do (I guess it really poked some people here..and hell yeah it should since i guess i sounded rude..so once again..please forgive me).

What I really meant was..has the situation got out of hand so much that (at least it looks from afar) it is the arab equivalent of thailand? Once again I am even not judging those women who are selling (their pretty bodies) to wealthy sex tourists from the rich gulf states and europe. I am just saying that I would want to know what is the root cause of this? I mean if this really is the scene as those french men are making it to be? They kept on going to morocco time and again and hence I thought things might have gone a lil too far there.

And please...I am NOT painting ALL moroccan women with the same brush. I am trying to find what the scene is sort of there. I mean as i said, it would be sad for it to become the thailand or cambodia of the arab world. For God's sake, I am planning to MARRY a moroccan woman, and i would not want to color them all..if I did..i'd be going with those french pigs (na i mean those filthy sex tourists..ive got nothin against france) and have a piece of the pie that ive been dying to eat..hell yeah i wanna eat that..but in a HALAL way and which also involves emotions...hence I never ever went with them for their sexcapades..i just want to be with such a sweet girl and not just be a party to a drunken orgy.

So more comments please (n yeah im perfectly ok with people poking at me with a lil french since i know jack shit about french..as far as its in good humor..its fine with me..in fact..if any of u pretty lil ladies would like to poke me in person.,,id be fine with that too )

regards (n guys from maroc..i really feel jealous of you since the women there are quite pretty..at the same time I also feel sorry for you...since so many men all around the world are slowly taking notice of your treasure and not all of them come with good intentions :|)

Hey Dude

First of all, it's not by sneaking around forums that you'll find the answers to your questions

Second, I've read your posts and you actually just talking about the beauty of moroccan girls....It's seems like you need to search a little bit more about the OTHER skills of these treasures...

....And Finally, Your really need to get to know the culture and traditions of moroccan's people to avoid accidentally offending those around you with different beliefs and views (as the posts you've wrote earlier)

God Helps U

hello there and no..im not just talkin about the beauty of Moroccan girls. I have been reading up quite a few things about the country and its people on the internet.

And I wanted to know about things, you know practical stuff like the one i asked. Such things aren't written in lonely planet guidebooks or Wikipedia, if u know what I am talking about. I wanted opinions, most of which I assume would be of some practical value.

And no I am neither stereotyping about anybody nor am I saying that generalizations are mostly BS. Generalizations aren't completely up to the mark, but they do help guys like me understand the general mood of the country as in the real stuff. In lay man's terms, I mean I know that if a girl does end up marrying me it wont be completely because I am a nice guy or I look like brad pitt (no I don't); factors like my financial stability and her chance for a better life outside her country cannot be counted out. And that is fine with me.

I want to know how common is it becoming in morocco? If it is becoming like what ukraine used to be like 15 years back, with scores of western men doing bride shopping? Cuz that means that the most likely reason someone would marry me would be because I belong to a certain country. I mean I would like to analyze things especially the mood of the place before actually thinking about actually finding myself a bride from there. And if I do, how does one go about doing that if I want to find a regular girl, mean not the one who are always on the look out for a foreign man, but you know girls who are a mix of both east and the west and who is not specifically on the lookout but she is also not averse to the idea of getting married abroad.

And no, please once again..I am not painting everyone with the same brush. I am sorry if I have offended anyone yet again,

salaam

Dude... Honestly, keep up with this shit, it's hilarious... Get ready for the ride of your life, you already pissed off everybody here...

I will try to be nice... So I will answer your questions.

No, Morroco isnt the equivalent of Thailand in the "Arab world"... In fact, if you are looking for the equivalent of Thailand in the Arab world you have to look somewhere else, like Lebanon or some piece of shit parts of Turkey or Syria.

Syria as an example received these last 10 years an army of young desperate women fleeing the violence in Iraq. I let you guess what happens to desperate young women outside of their home.

Morroco have a very bad reputation. But I dont know if this reputation is deserved. Now...

Now, I will give you a crash course about Morroco society. You have to learn to spot the "category" of the person in front of you... Use simple classes like "elite" or "commoner", and then add a little "sub-category" in front of it. "intellectual elite" or "economical elite", the big difference between these two is their education... The "economical elite" didnt spend much time with their parents to get a real education...
And for the "commoners", you do the same, you look at their education and their "hopes" of evolution, if tomorrow they make it in their lives, will they turn into "economical elites" (new rich bastards) or into "intellectual elites" (people who received an education)...

This is how it works down here. If you have good eyes... You can find a very good woman in Morroco. If you are a dumb tourist exploiting misery and weakness... You will end up like your silly friends, banging a worthless whore and spreading rumors about a whole people...
And it's because of these jerks that men are so so so violent with women in the Arab/Muslim countries... To protect them from these modern slavers who promise freedom and comfort to weak and poor women so they can get in their pants...

If you are looking for whores mate, just look at these "men" who told you these stories...

Hi Dan,

Usually, you have many girls arround here(Amour & Sentiments), but now, becouse of your damned english, they runned away... Thx a lot man

By the way, can you give me some adress in Sweden and UK for some cute girls bacause man, girls here in France/Belgium are a little depressives ^^

I forgot the most important thing, i lived in morocco, in France and now in an other nice european country(much better than France^^) and i can tell you that girls are the same.
If you compare for example France and Morocco, you have 2kinds of girls, the first one is attached to the islamic/cultural traditions and the second one with the european culture. And as LeMarsk told you, poverty let you do anything.

But the good news is, you can find a nice girl everywhere. You just need to be patient, to take your time and to target your lady-love



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Salam Dan,

What do you think of Algerian girls ?
Or rather, what does your research on the internet, if you did any, get you to think of them ?

Thanks for your answering.

Empty vessels make the most noise as we say in the UK

Look:
First, I believe that this post dosn't have to belong to the "Amour et Sentiments" Topic.

2nd point, It's a shame for a moroccan to think like this about his country, his freind, his mother, his sister and may be one day his daughter...

I really hope you're kidding man! If my understanding is correct, you are trying to project foreigners image of the moroccan woman on yours?! Do you come often back to morocco or are you living on the moon??!

What about your sister? is she that bad as you have been toled??
What about you mother staghfiro llah??

Men are talking about b-itchs. Thant's normal. If you go to marrakech or Agadir (wherever you go), you'll find b-itchs in night clubs, hotels, cabarets...in Paris too. If you cross over the champs Elysées's cabarets (The fouquet's, jet set, Sphinx,..) 80% percent of the moroccan girls there are b-itchs (I tell you this as I spent my soirée there )...Is this is meaning that all morocan girls are just like that? Absolutly not.

If you want to get serious project, you have to be patient: it's not the first pretty moroccan girl you're crossing you're loving..Trust me there is still good moroccan women that you and I have to meet: Where there's a will there's a way..

sa3datek a khouya,i will read your post for work my english,maghadachi en kemel reading hta i9dam sujet,amri lilah je lis lol

Ah im really sorry, I must have opened a can of worms. And to the women on this board, I am very very sorry. Looks like my questions have made all the lovely women to disappear from this thread.

Please my dear freinds and brothers and sisters, I am not here to color an entire populace. And yes I do acknowledge that western men (and so do the gulf arabs) have used the general misery and poverty in morocco to their advantage when it comes to catching fish. Considering that morocco thrives on tourism which is bcoz of its generally fine weather, great food and cheap stay, not to mention lovely women; is the government actually doing anything about isex tourism? Or is it tolerated or nay encouraged by the king? I guess it is a social ill. Its a complex question and it demands a thread of its own. Has anybody introspected about this problem esp moroccan expats? If i'd start a thread on it, where should i put it? Will people show any interest in 'introspecting' with an english guy anyways?

anyways, coming back to the topic, i get where u guys are going. I understand it hopefully isnt the arab equivalent of thailand yet, but im afraid with it westernizing so quickly, there nothing stopping the predators descending in droves both from the west (the whities) and the east (gulf arabs). nonetheless if the woman is a decently educated woman and still holds a head high amongst all this chaos and general predators all around, kudos to her. And I would sincerely love to talk to you guys. Moroccans in general are affable people and a tad batter than the rich arabs of the oil rich middle east. And yes skender, I hope one day we both get what we want. Are u a moroccan too?

Nonetheless, why don't more moroccans learn english by the way? France in all its glory is a rapidly waning power. Al though the united states is also on a downward spiral, english has well established itself as the language of business universally. The rapidly rising eastern tigers of China and India both have people who speak immaculate english (the educated ones) and are using it to their advantage. French is slowly becoming not so important as it once used to be. And learning english would enable you to engage culpurally with so many people than you would with french alone.

Altho it sure sounds a lil sweeter than english. As usual I am keen to hear from you fellas. As for djemila, my dear, ive got not much clue about algerian women. But i sure will get back. Interact with me on this thread. It feels nice talkin to you fellas and gals!!

alors!
il a un problème ce monsieur?