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Do we know the exact moment when we fall in sleep? I guess, no. The same thing with love.

Now, we all know that a muslim girl must be married to a muslim man.
Thus, I will be asking you girls, and especially the muslim ones, did you ever fall in love with a non-muslim guy, how did you overcome your religion differences, did you try to guide your feelings, or you just let yourself go with the flow of " magic of being loved", did you run away because you were some how convainced when you love somebody you should love him for the person he is, and not try to change anything about him, or you did all what it has to be done, and you discussed it with him and basically either you try to convaince him or you asked him to adopt Islam since it s the only way to be together. How did your relationship end up with the guy in a question, did he change his religion to be muslim.

For the record: a muslim should marry a muslim. Many muslims say that men are allowed to marry christians or jews, but I don't agree with that statement since christians and jews commit idolatry. To marry someone who commits idolatry is forbidden for both men and women!

Just wanted to share that information with you guys.

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Tifah
For the record: a muslim should marry a muslim. Many muslims say that men are allowed to marry christians or jews, but I don't agree with that statement since christians and jews commit idolatry. To marry someone who commits idolatry is forbidden for both men and women!

Just wanted to share that information with you guys.

just to correct you people commit adolatry not states and religions, you can be muslim and still commit adolatry.

Islam has alowed men to marry christian and jew cause they are "Ahl al kitab". there is no reason changing Allah ´s words just to suit you.


i hope i am correct!

Hey first and foremost let me tell you that you brought very interesting topic to the forum.Love is a very healthy and spiritual relationship.As said by psycologist freud your basic needs should be fulfilled first before u can think of something else.I mean after food ,shelter and health come love.When u start liking someone you start liking for some or other thing which attracts you.Might be look for some,nature for some,something or other.I dont think so anybody will like someone for his religion so that is secondary.Muslim religion says that you can't force religion on somebody so after marraige if u are expecting your husband should convert its false.These are entirely my views and opinions guys dont take it seriously.

nope never

i guess unconsciously you put barriers in ur head

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Tifah
For the record: a muslim should marry a muslim. Many muslims say that men are allowed to marry christians or jews, but I don't agree with that statement since christians and jews commit idolatry. To marry someone who commits idolatry is forbidden for both men and women!

Just wanted to share that information with you guys.

just to correct you people commit adolatry not states and religions, you can be muslim and still commit adolatry.

Islam has alowed men to marry christian and jew cause they are "Ahl al kitab". there is no reason changing Allah ´s words just to suit you.


i hope i am correct!

Since jews and christians don't acknowledge Mohamed as a messenger of God and don't acknowledge the Quran and in other words can't acknowledge islam as a religion of God, than it's not right of us to marry these people. Especially because christians most of the time see Jesus as the son of God or God himself and so we can call that idolatry. But again... God gives us that choice. We as muslims should think for ourselfs. I for example wouldn't marry a christian, a jew or a sunni, because they don't only believe in God, but also believe in things that are manmade and combined with the Book of God.

And by the way if God allows men to marry christians and jews, I don't think he would be unjust and say that only men can marry these believers. I think it's meant for every muslim. A rule is not only made for male muslims, but for EVERY muslim, in spite of the sex. The Arabic language is not what it used to be, 'cause it's been modernised. So all the verses in the Quran need to be interpreted precisly with the Arabic of the past and not the new and modernised Arabic. People need to be carefull with the interpretation of Quranverses.

To get back to the subject: in the past when I was 18 or 19 yrs old I've fallen in love with a christian. I had a short but passionate relationship. He was very interested in islam, because he heard a lot about it from his uncle, who converted to islam. The reason that I ended the relationship was because of our different mentalities and not because of his christian background. If I had to choose now, then I would never started a relationship with him, because in the end I would've find my belief much more important.

I for example wouldn't marry a christian, a jew or a sunni,

could you please explain a bit why not a sunni?

Because sunni's not only believe in the Quran, but also believe in the hadith. For me that stands for idolatry. It's like the christians who added the gospel into the NT (new testament) and the jews the talmud to the OT (old testament). Muslims added the hadith to the Quran and to my belief that's against Gods rules, cause nothing should be added to the Quran. That's why God sent down the Quran in the first place, because people began adding stuff to the bible and didn't keep the Scriptures in their pure form. So that's why I wouldn't hook up with a christian, jew nor a sunni (muslim who also follows the hadith).



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Tifah
Because sunni's not only believe in the Quran, but also believe in the hadith. For me that stands for idolatry. It's like the christians who added the gospel into the NT (new testament) and the jews the talmud to the OT (old testament). Muslims added the hadith to the Quran and to my belief that's against Gods rules, cause nothing should be added to the Quran. That's why God sent down the Quran in the first place, because people began adding stuff to the bible and didn't keep the Scriptures in their pure form. So that's why I wouldn't hook up with a christian, jew nor a sunni (muslim who also follows the hadith).

so you mean Chi'a (chi3a) is better? you mean Sunna is just Cr.p (staghfour Allah) you mean Allah lied when he said Obey Mohamed.

Well honey sorry but you are wrong! If you dont believe in HADITH THEN YOU SHOULDNT BELIEVE IN THE QURAN IT SELF!

CHECK OUT THIS FAWTA

before saying absurd stuffs read and ask about the real ISLAM

HERE 'S A FATWA THAT PROVES YOU ARE WRONG


Title of Fatwa : Rejecting the Prophet's Sunnah
Date of Reply 21/Mar/2006
Topic Of Fatwa Misconceptions, Qur’an & Hadith
Question of Fatwa


Recently, I heard that a group of people denies the Sunnah or Hadith as one of the bases of Islamic law. What is the view of Islam towards such a group? Are they still considered Muslims?

Name of Mufti Islamic Religious Council of Singapore
Content of Reply
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Thanks for your question, and we earnestly implore Allah to guide us all to the best both in this world and in the hereafter.

Sunnah refers to all that has been reported of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), whether the reports are sayings, actions, or tacit approvals. It is the second source of Islamic legislation that comes right after the Qur'an. This is affirmed by the scholars' consensus.

Responding to the question, the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore states the following:

Hadith or Sunnah are words, actions, consents and characteristics of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). There are many Qur'anic verses that command us to obey Allah and His Messenger, Prophet Muhammad. Obeying the Prophet means following everything that he has commanded and abstaining from everything that he has forbidden. There are also many verses in the Qur'an that convey to us the Prophet's task of clarifying what is unclear to us in the Qur'an. Examples of such verses are these:

(O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the Messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end.) (An-Nisaa' 4:59)

(Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them.) (An-Nisaa' 4:80)

(And whatsoever the Messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.) (Al-Hashr 59:7)

(Make not the calling of the Messenger among you as your calling one of another. Allah knoweth those of you who steal away, hiding themselves. And let those who conspire to evade orders beware lest grief or painful punishment befall them.) (An-Nur 24:63)

(With clear proofs and writings; and We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance that thou mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that haply they may reflect.) (An-Nahl 16:44)

(But nay, by thy lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission.) (An-Nisaa' 4:65)

These Qur'anic verses clearly command us to obey the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Obeying him means to follow his Sunnah. Even though it is undeniable that there are a number of hadiths that are weak or even fabricated, the stress here is to follow his Sunnah. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would not speak or act independently without guidance from Allah.

There was never any argument among the scholars past and present on the status of Sunnah as the second source of Islamic law after the Qur'an.

Those who deny the status of Sunnah as the second source of Islamic law, or who reject it altogether, are actually denying the Qur'an as well. This is because the Qur'an commands us to obey and follow the Prophet through his Sunnah. Thus the consensus among the scholars is that those who reject the Sunnah as the second source if Islamic Law are considered as apostates. Their status as Muslims will be automatically revoked.

You can also read:

sOURCE : [www.islamonline.net]

LA HAWLA WA LA 9OUWATA ILA BILAH!



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Well, ex-missdoll, that's the funny thing... people don't go searching for answers themselfs, but they need other people to "pre-chew" information for them.

My advise and the advise of God will be:
"Do not accept anything that you have no knowledge of. Surely the hearing, the sight and the mind you are responsible for." (Quran, 17:36)

Blind following is not accepted by God. We need to search for answers and examing the Quran for ourselfs since we're responsible for everything we learn, say or do. God emphasizes on 'thought' and 'contemplation' many times in the Quran. So why should you follow a "scholar" if you can do the thinking for yourself? It's not like you're illiterate. A scholar is someone who read and examined many books, but it doesn't mean that they know everything. You can do the same thing if the islam is really important to you.

Muslims are taught (indoctrinated) that the prophet Muhammed brought the Quran with him as well as his sayings, the 'hadith', and his actions, the 'sunnah'. Which is not true, 'cause prophet Muhammed only brought with him the Quran and the 'hadith' came until over two hundred years after Muhammeds death. The 'sahaba' told the people that the 'hadith' is the second islamic law next to the Quran. Which is a big lie! God never claimed that people could take a second source as an islamic law next to the Quran! In fact, there was a ban on the writing of Hadith ordered by the prophet himself.

"The prophet saidDo not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Whoever wrote, must destroy it" (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel3/12,21,39)

Even one of the 'sahaba' banned it!

Omar Bin Al-Khatab is recorded as saying: 'I wanted to write the traditions (Sun'an), and I remembered a people who were before you, they wrote other books to follow and abandoned the book of GOD. And I will never, I swear, replace GOD's book with anything' (Reported by Jami' Al-Bayan 1/67)

Although the hadith was banned, the sahaba still continued writing it and collecting more sayings by others who claimed to also know the prophet. Bukhari was the person who lead all of this and who rejected or labeled a saying/hadith as 'authentic'. So the hadith was based mainly on 'hearsay' and therefore an unreliable source. I mean how do you justify that women are compared to 'donkeys' and that 'the majority of women will go to hell'? How do you justify that if a woman passes by while praying your 'salat' is 'invalid'? How can you say that there are some hadiths who are unrealiable, but the hadith STILL is trustworthy? How do you know this? Are this historical facts? No, you just suspect that they are. You don't have the certainty that they are trustworthy.

What does God say about this?

"When our verses are recited for them, those who do not expect to meet us would say, 'Bring a Quran other than this, or change it.' Say (O Muhammad), 'I cannot change it on my own initiative. I simply follow what is revealed to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of a terrible day.' ...Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God, or rejects His revelations? The guilty never succeed. Yet, they idolize beside God those who possess no power to harm them or benefit them, and say, 'These are our intercessors with God.' ...such is idol-worship." (Quran, 10:15-18)

The prophet says he can't change the Quran, he just follows the revelations. So we need to follow the revelations that came to the prophet. And that's what God means by 'follow the prophet'. Follow the revelations, follow the Quran. The Quran is our truth that we need to follow, not the hadith which is contradicting the Quran.

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN THE GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of The God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (Quran, 6:114-116)

"And We have sent down the Book to you as a CLARITY FOR EVERYTHING, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who Submit." (Quran 16:89)

"The GOD has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways. The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for The GOD's message. Such is The GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills. As for those sent astray by The GOD, nothing can guide them." (39:23)

"The God DOES NOT FORGIVE that partners be established with Him, but He forgives other than that to whom He wishes" (4/48)

Think for yourselfs. Don't follow the herd. Know the history of islam. Educate yourselfs.

Salam,

Tifah



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Dear Tifah;

Your Quote:

" So why should you follow a "scholar" if you can do the thinking for yourself? It's not like you're illiterate. A scholar is someone who read and examined many books, but it doesn't mean that they know everything. You can do the same thing if the islam is really important to you."

You've made a very good point here!But you should know as well as anybody that the QUORAAN is not aeasily understood by all LITERATE...so literacy is not the key here...

I have done my share of reading and writing...but I read what scholars have to say...Two heads are better than one.

Why did Prophet Mohammad have Assahaba around him...they were smart people and even they disagreed about the interpretation of some verses...


Very little knowledge is dangerous!

Salam Yani,

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Two heads are better than one.

That's absolutely true. I never claimed that people should not pay attention to scholars, but people need to be carefull with choosing "scholars", cause there a lot of them who share false information! People need to be very carefull, because blind following is not allowed/accepted. God says to always search for answers yourself and also double check the information you get from so-called "scholars".

The 'sahaba' (with all due respect to the GOOD ones) weren't as smart as you claim they are. If they were smart, they would never disrespect God and come up with a second islamic law. As if the laws of God weren't good enough! If they obtained the laws of the Quran, the islamic world would never been this differ. People are now split in many sects.

Till this day, people still don't agree with some of the interpretations of Quranverses. That's why God wants us, muslims, to once in a while come together to peacefull discuss the Quran. To bad that people mix hadith with Quran. It would've lead many people to the right path, and that's the PURE islam, without the manmade hadith.



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Salam to you tifah;

While your premise is worthy of praise, I'm afraid it lacks substance; not that it should matter to you because you believe in the individual finding out the TRUTH for him/herself! However, the issue is more philsophical and I don't want to bore you with something you probably already know!

We are bound to agree or disagree but ultimately find ourselves as members of a group! THat's what the Sahaba or close followers of the Prophet came to! I don't see anything wrong with plurality of ideas within the same faith/ religion! Sunni/Maliki/hanafi/chi3a are all Muslims...we don't pray... the same exact way but we ultimately pray... to THE SAME GOD... The degree of faith varies from one to another but it doesn't mean one is more MUslim or Jewish...than the other. I always grin when I hear "he's a good christian" I am yet to hear he's a good muslim or...We're all wither Muslim/Christian? jewish or none! What about a Muslim who Cheats/ drinks...to me he/she is a MUslim but the his/faith is NAQUIS or weak...does tha exclude them from being a MUSLIM! not to me and it's not my decision any way! THE CREATOR will deal with that! IT's when we over take GOD's Role that We leave his Path (THIS IS NOT FROM A BOOK, IT"S MINE! just to throw some humor in there!

On literacy, many are Literate and with higher ed degrees but lack the depth in character...to understand the QURAAN...

On Dating from a different faith, I personally don't look at religion as the factor in a relationship and I'll leave it at that. It is a very personal matter to me, religion that is! But again, I am a male muslim! I might get the cliche question: what would i think of my sister dating a non-muslim or converted...I don't know the answer to that... but I do know that if my sister or cousin falls in love with a man from a different faith, it's not me who's going to live with him! I will only make matters worse if I force her to decide otherwise! I might even make the religion so uncomfortable for her!

Finally, Alijtihad is to be praised and I take it that part of it is being open to what others come up with, the "GOOD ANDTHE BAD" because thanks to the bad part,the good is perceived as such!

Salam
Yani

In Islam there is no Sunni nor
Shia you either u
fellow the Quran or u don 't simple as this
And coming to Hadith Hadith are some saying
Of the prophet peace and blessing of
Allah be on him from the Quran so it a bit like
Quotes when he was teaching his umbiy
And Hadith were like little evidence to the point
He was making
Please don't say anything about Islam without
Any knowledge or logic because it's dis obedience to
Allah subhantalla and his sarvannt and messerge
Thank u

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (PBUH), who said:
A prayer performed by someone who has not recited the Essence of the Quran (1) during it is deficient (and he repeated the word three times), incomplete. Someone said to Abu Hurayrah: [Even though] we are behind the imam? (2) He said: Recite it to yourself, for I have heard the Prophet (may the blessings and peace of Allah be up on him) say: Allah (mighty and sublime be He), had said: I have divided prayer between Myself and My servant into two halves, and My servant shall have what he has asked for. When the servant says: Al-hamdu lillahi rabbi l-alamin (3), Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says: My servant has praised Me. And when he says: Ar-rahmani r-rahim (4), Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says: My servant has extolled Me, and when he says: Maliki yawmi d-din (5), Allah says: My servant has glorified Me - and on one occasion He said: My servant has submitted to My power. And when he says: Iyyaka na budu wa iyyaka nasta in (6), He says: This is between Me and My servant, and My servant shall have what he has asked for. And when he says: Ihdina s-sirata l- mustaqim, siratal ladhina an amta alayhim ghayril-maghdubi alayhim wa la d-dallin (7), He says: This is for My servant, and My servant shall have what he has asked for.

(1) Surat al-Fatihah, the first surah (chapter) of the Qur'an.

(2) i.e. standing behind the imam (leader) listening to him reciting al-Fatihah.

(3) "Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds."

(4) "The Merciful, the Compassionate".

(5) "Master of the Day of Judgement".

(6) "It is You we worship and it is You we ask for help".

(7) "Guide us to the straight path, the path of those upon whom You have bestowed favors, not of those against whom You are angry, nor of those who are astray".

It was related by Muslim (also by Malik, at-Tirmidhi, Abu-Dawud, an-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah).
Hadith Qudsi 9:
On the authority of Abu Harayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (PBUH), who said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says:
The fist of his actions for which a servant of Allah will be held accountable on the Day of Resurrection will be his prayers. If they are in order, then he will have prospered and succeeded: and if they are wanting, then he will have failed and lost. If there is something defective in his obligatory prayers, the Lord (glorified and exalted be He) will say: See if My servant has any supererogatory prayers with which may be completed that which was defective in his obligatory prayers. Then the rest of his actions will be judged in like fashion.

It was related by at-Tirmidhi (also by Abu Dawud, an-Nasa'i, Ibn Majah and Ahmad).
Hadith Qudsi 10:
On the authority of Abu Harayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (PBUH), who said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says:
Fasting is Mine and it I who give reward for it. [A man] gives up his sexual passion, his food and his drink for my sake. Fasting is like a shield, and he who fasts has two joys: a joy whin he breaks his fast and a joy when he meets his Lord. The change in the breath of the mouth of him who fasts is better in Allah's estimation than the smell of musk.

It was related by al-Bukhari (also by Muslim, Malik, at-Tirmidhi, an-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah).

Plzz Help me
I am hindu boy but I like to convert to muslim
Because I like muslim girl to merry pls ans me

I love a non muslim guy from past 4years.. I fellnin love in a mature age of 24. I breaked off with him several times because of marriage issue. But still I love him I m looking for arrange marriage but dont know how to forget this guy..

am in the exact same situation as you anamze... I would say pray god. read book about faith, philosophy.. eventually that helps ...

it does help me... well, most of the time!

Personally : never.

Even if it did not happen and the girl did not write first, you should be the first to write, it may be the case, that she is waiting for your reaction. Try to attract her attention in the first message. For example, advise her: ‘Hello, I came across her page, and now a question is torturing me.’ Do not write her anything else, leave the internet and official site for a day or two. This way, you will make the girl think about you, burn with curiosity, what you wanted to ask.

But dear, you say that you are not agree, honestly we don't care, it's wrote on the Quran.

It's not to be rude but, in the Quran it's wrote that we can married "ahlul kitab" with conditions of course but it's possible.

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Tifah
For the record: a muslim should marry a muslim. Many muslims say that men are allowed to marry christians or jews, but I don't agree with that statement since christians and jews commit idolatry. To marry someone who commits idolatry is forbidden for both men and women!

Just wanted to share that information with you guys.

Salam,
Firstly sorry for my English, I a was born and i live in France.
Secondly, I love your question.
And lastly, I never date someone in my life.

So now I will answer. Yes I fall in love a French guy, they are very handsome, but I never date with them because there are not a Muslim. There are French guy who want to date with me but I always said no because I am a Muslim girl. I prefer god, I want to go to paradise and I don't want to hurt my family.